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Post by thetiler on Oct 6, 2012 1:50:15 GMT -5
Hello, I just joined and am very interested in the theory that there is an actual civilization under the surface of mars.
Does anybody here think there is a civilization under mars surface?
And do you have any anomalies etc. to show that there might be?
If there are threads that talk about this, I would love to read them.
Thanks for reading!
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Post by thetiler on Oct 6, 2012 11:58:56 GMT -5
This image is an indication of a civilization under mars. Because it is clearly showing spraying going on. Once the link is clicked, it has to be zoomed in and it is towards the top. Here is the link: It is from Malin so I gather it is authentic unless malin inserted a bogus image on their site which I don't think they would do. Of course I know they would deny that the image is actively spraying and that it is something else. But that picture totally to me seems like a sprayer. www.msss.com/moc_gallery/m07_m12/jpegmaps/M11/M1100099.jpg |
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Post by thetiler on Oct 6, 2012 14:26:10 GMT -5
Here is the testimony of Gary Wilcox that states that he talked to two martians: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngMQ-BMSyTw *Key factors in Gary's testimony: 1. little beings 2.space suites from head to toe 3. Oval craft 4. Happened April 24th 1964 App. 10:00 am ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lonnie Zamora's Experience www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx0u0Fn3hTg1. Little beings 2. space suites from head to toe 3. Oval craft 4. Happened April 24th, 1964 4:45 pm ----------------------------------------------------------------- Ernest Norman www.firedocs.com/remoteviewing/mars/Wrote "The Truth About Mars". Through mental telepathy, Ernest Norman claimed that he contacted a leader of the mars civilization named Nur El He stated that they (the martians) had to go underground thousands of years ago in order to survive a solar flare. This Nur El claims in his telepathic communication to Ernest Norman is that the tubes earthlings see on earth are transportation tubes. And that they go in and out of the mars surface. Ernest Norman's experience happened in the 1950's BEFORE the mars images came out by nasa! www.ancientmoons.com/imagesm5/mailedD16.jpg----------------------------------------------------------------- Donald Shrum Experience www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1DV6C3WwNg&playnext=1&list=PL90BE5D95877B6C0B&feature=results_mainSimilar experience is that he saw: 1. Little beings 2. Space suites from head to toe 3. In the year of 1964 ------------------------------------------------------------------ If there is other images that show the possibility of a living civilization on or under the mars surface, I would be delighted to see it etc. Just trying to gather more information to satisfy my curiosity :) |
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Post by Marsrocks on Oct 6, 2012 20:45:10 GMT -5
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Post by thetiler on Oct 7, 2012 1:34:51 GMT -5
This is very impressive I will have to study more about what she states as compared to Ernest Norman's account. He claims that the martians had to go underground about 100 thousand years ago. But what the lady is saying is that a mass extinction happened 40 million years ago. But of course that could be an extinction that led them to planet mars. She stated that there were 2 million survivors to the planet when the catastrophe happened. So I am a bit confused. It seems she could be very much in-tune and a highly spiritual person. I am taken by her view of what I think she said that if we earthlings start get on the planet, it could be very dangerous to the underground martians. That makes sense from what I gather about Ernest Norman's account that as the lady states they live underground. Gary Wilcox seeing martians (if true) with suites on from head to toe on his farm, they could be in a great fragile state physically. That lady is very interesting indeed and will have to search more info on her talks on mars. I have communicated through email to a very famous mars anomaly guy and he stated that he is not sure aliens can be trusted. And with very discouraging bout with a major religion (studying it's roots), I get very stand-off-ish of joining any group because of what I've been through. But on the other hand I get annoyed at fundamentalist calling all aliens demons. I kind of have a monkey on my back being for so long in a christian religion and now hanging on to about half of what i've learned about Jesus etc. What a great reply! Thanks much! Can't wait to see, hear and read what she says in other videos about mars! Wow! |
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Post by thetiler on Oct 7, 2012 2:41:47 GMT -5
I'm on the 6th mars video from that lady.
Some of it is not adding up with Ernest Norman.
One, is that she states that they send no space ships to earth.
And Gary Wilcox stated they he spoke with martians on his 300 acre farm. He was pronounce by a physiologist as being of good character, sane etc.
She stated that they have mud houses in their underground places of living. But If I remember right Ernest Norman (a Unarian) stated that there houses were of some other material I think.
So something is not adding up. When she spoke I was surprised one time she immediately received communication that they are watching her show as she is speaking to the audience.
So I am trying to be understanding of what she is implying.
I guess things are not adding up, but I will for sure listen to her more about mars.
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Post by thetiler on Oct 7, 2012 9:49:19 GMT -5
I am posting and adding post myself here because I am having a tough time finding the edit button. Sorry for the mass build up of replies! I found a ex ching Hai group and trying to analyze what is legit or not., And I know if I do that to her I have to do it with Ernest Norman. I am trying to be a truthful and finding truth as best I can. But her is a bit about her from apparently ex members: skepticalvegan.com/2012/02/08/waiter-theres-woo-in-my-food-part-2-supreme-master-ching-hai/Here is something interesting about Bob Dean, who I guess gave a speech. And in it talks about a mars photo of a city on mars. But even Bob Dean says that most of the civilization of mars is underground. I understand the readers of this is going to realize that there is a lot of what I type lets say about Ernest Norman etc. is that it there is a possibilty of being misleading. How Chang Hai says one thing and Ernest Norman states the other., But what I am trying to get across is that even if there are errors on both sides : Ernest Norman and Chang Hai, that there seems to be a growing knowledge that indeed there is a civilization under mars. So many of said this. I know that I thing Ruth Norman got on Johnny Carson years ago (I think it was Johnny Carson) and dressed funny and I heard the unarian group made bad prediction that space ships were going to land on a certain date and the didn't. So maybe what I am trying to do is make a "cult" study and still trying to find a truthful thread in it. It seems that Lonnie Zamora and Gary Wilcox have much phoniness about their testimonies from what I can find. I don't like de-bunkers that have nothing to say but just to de-bunk. That does not seem to be a very good path to find truth. Again, so much evidence seems to be leading though that there is a civilization under the surface of mars, even taking into an account that there is a lot of terrible problems of organizations trying to make money of their followers. Some my not like Bob Dean but there is a section were he talks abut a mars civilization underground: suprememastertv.com/ss/?wr_id=110I tried to download a pdf but they are asking for money to download and I don't like to operate that way when it comes to the net. It is about the Unarians false prediction about ufo's landing on earth decades ago. So if you happen to see a link that talks about this false prediction I would enjoy reading it. Because it is important to see both sides of the coin. But again I've heard a bunch of people now stating that there really is a mars civilization underground. And of course that bio-logical sprayer on mars by Malin is something that speaks volumes even though Nasa would deny it. So lots of see-sawing on the way to finding the truth. Maybe kind of like Dorothy on the yellow brick road to the wizard of oz :) |
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Post by thetiler on Oct 7, 2012 11:47:51 GMT -5
In my quest for truth in all this.
Is that Gary Wilcox, the farmer in 1964 that claims to have been visited by martians. Didn't claim to ask for money for his testimony. He just wanted to go back to his farming after he had a conversation with two little men in uniforms at that 10:00 am meeting.
After about two hours they got back in their oval craft and left. (If true).
Gary Wilcox's brother was offered money to speak up about his brother's experience but he didn't accept it.
In Gary Wilcox's experience NO MONEY seemed to be involved.
With Chain Hai, her company owns restaurants and tons of others things that seems to be the exact opposite of Gary Wilcox's testimony. So I really have to lean on the side of Gary Wilcox's testimony. So I really have to lean on the side of mars ufo craft that can cloak themselves coming into our atmosphere.
She seems to offer no statement of oval craft like was viewed by Gary Wilcox in 1964. Add that in with houses made by mud underneath mars, which would seem to be an element that would make martians sick if they are fragile and that we couldn't be in contact with them because of our bacteria.
I have to wonder about Ernest Normans (unarians) wife Ruth and her seeming to monetize the unarian organization.
I just love the direct approach of Gary Wilcox and how he totally seems legit, even though it is just one person.
Just like Lonnie Zamora, in his experience in 1964, April 24th.
He didn't speak with martians but they had on similar uniforms to what Gary saw. And that they were small.
I kind of think that Ernest Norman was not in making money about his martian experience and somehow it kind of got taken over by others that got greedy. Thus, the bad prediction that had been in the news.
Not saying I'm right over all this, but I really think you have to look at it from all angels. But still, it seems like the fact that there is an underground civilization under mars seems to be coming clearer.
The more I study all this, the staple seems:
Gary Wilcox and that martians bio-sprayer, the one select ribbed tube (one on top of the other with the shiny glint) by msss.com (Dr. Malin) nasa approved. And the rest add ons and possibilities. With being watchful not to get sucked into fraudulent organization.
Not saying they are, but being CAREFUL not to join empty headed and going on what is in your heart and living out what is in your BRAIN. Because even Hitler stated to his followers let your heart do the walking etc. Like burning in my bosom, then it is right and then realizing that there are to artifacts or dna etc. So important.
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Post by thetiler on Oct 7, 2012 13:46:02 GMT -5
Chang Hai states that there is a queen currently reining underneath mars (cities etc.) If that is true and it seems like she (Chang Hai) is almost treated like that. I think one thing that the United States stood for was to have no king or queen rule in the United States, not to have king or queen rule. George Washington really fought tooth and nail for that literally. And our United States was based on that system. Which I accept. But what I thought was interesting is the queen crown of mars: lh5.ggpht.com/marsrocks/R7xbukB2gvI/AAAAAAAABP8/43dr_WlpznE/s800/marsrocks+crownface.jpgTom Van Flandern thought that there were too many points on that photo to show it was not a fraud.. Like the nose, eyes, crown etc., But getting back to the US government as compared to king and queen rulership. I think it is terrible to have Republicans 1% pay little taxes that almost makes the US to be as bad as the wealthy 1% accumulation. But the voting system is a step in the right direction and I do believe in a democracy. There just has to be more safeguards on the reward system we (most here I guess) have in the US. And the saved up money through generations by the extreme wealthy of the us. But if it is true and there is a Queen under the mars surface. And they have millions of inhabitants. What kind of wealth build up would they have? That seems frightening to say the least. Kind of like a pyramid of wealth and only the king and queen have a glut of wealth. Two edge sword on both sides. But I do love the democratic vote-type system of check and balances. Not sure if you could do that with a queen and king complete rulership. Just not sure if we can check and balance the 1% wealthy. Maybe they are close to the same as the queen under mars as Chang Hai states. All this must seem speculation, but please get ready for it and analyze it alot (I hope you do) So your children or your children's children don't get caught in a government that they are not happy with and forget what George Washington stood for and many of his men died for. |
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Post by knowing on Oct 8, 2012 10:26:32 GMT -5
Hi, a time ago i have found a very interesting page ... http://quantum_mars.tripod.com/index.html and this is nice too, a List of Martians on earth :O ... www.angelfire.com/bc2/martiansonearth/what you all think about this page ? and who knows Helen M. Canterbury ? |
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Post by thetiler on Oct 9, 2012 0:48:22 GMT -5
Hi, a time ago i have found a very interesting page ... http://quantum_mars.tripod.com/index.html and this is nice too, a List of Martians on earth :O ... www.angelfire.com/bc2/martiansonearth/what you all think about this page ? and who knows Helen M. Canterbury ? I found that a good read, were did you learn all this from? Thanks for the post. Has anybody asked the ones that are in the list whether they are from mars? :) From what I thought, is that they can't live on earth period because they lost their resistance to earth life because they lived underground in (cities) etc for so long. |
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Post by thetiler on Oct 9, 2012 8:59:22 GMT -5
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Post by thetiler on Nov 17, 2012 21:51:17 GMT -5
The biological sprayer has been removed by msss.com.
Not sure why, but it was an indication that there seems to be an active civilization going on there (mars).
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Post by thetiler on Nov 18, 2012 14:15:09 GMT -5
The link to the bio sprayer that clearly shows an active civilization going on is right here: www.msss.com/moc_gallery/m07_m12/images/M11/M1100099.htmlThe image on the left side (rectangular and high) used to be the image you could easily see the bio sprayer (EASILY) now you have to go to the first top link below the left image ! "View full-size image, processed, in sinusoidal projection using 19.73°W as prime meridian (lossy JPEG, medium quality, rapid download)" --------------------------------------------------------- Malin can and does change things, so as of this typing (nov. 18, 2012) the clear image of the sprayer is again is under the left rectangular image as what is in the quotation mars right above the dotted line. This IS one of the most important images ever given to us by msss.com, it really is ! |
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Post by Enki-Quetzalcoatl on Nov 14, 2014 12:56:39 GMT -5
I do think, and feel, that there is civilization under the surface of Mars. In the mystic and psychic world, we know that there was a civilization on Mars, just like there was civilization on all the planets near us, including the moon. Mars, the Moon, Venus, Mercury, and of course Earth were inhabited, full of varieties of life and of course, civilization. The model after which 'Atlantis', or 'Aztlan' was created is the model after which a lot of cities, nations and civilizations were modeled, patterned after what today is known as the Kabbalistic Tree of Life. The 'people' of these civilizations were networked together, and used natural technologies, which have since been lost, but are not as far out of our reach as we may think. After the cataclysm, which was a combination of natural and war-rooted events, Earth was the place of refuge. The story of the Battle of Siddim, in Genesis, talks of the four worlds, or nations, and the 5 cities. 4 of the 5 cities were destroyed, leaving only Bela, whose name was changed to Zoar, as a place of refuge for those who survived. Of course, Bela-Zoar is not a city, but a planet. It's Earth. Sodom, is Mars... and there are multiple, slightly conflicting accounts, in the Bible, and in other sources. They're compilations of different accounts from different sources and perceptions. (Sodom was not destroyed for homosexuality, as is thought by modern day Christians, btw.) If anything, quite the opposite. Mars, which was a very male-driven, strength-driven, technology-driven, war-like planet, much like Earth is becoming, was destroyed in war, to almost smithereens. Then in the years that followed, it continued to destroy itself more and more. As the iron core began to cool and solidify, and its natural mechanism was being 'turned off', the few remaining inhabitants had to go inside. There was no longer a dependable magnetic field, it had been broken down leaving only spots, here and there, of magnetism, but in no clean, solid, superplanetary way, like on Earth. The atmosphere was depleted, there was no surface water, little to no surface structures left, and no species variety left, as most non humanoid species had reached extinction long ago. The Martians had to go inside. They began to move from the surface to the interior around 2,000 more like 3,000 years ago... which is pretty recent, considering the cataclysm happened long before. There is not a large number of Martians living under the surface, but it's not a small number either. Perhaps a little less than the population of China. They've not made themselves known, because they want to go unseen and unheard, though they do influence, through technology and natural spiritual sciences, our planet, and usually not in a positive way. Though, they've no intentions of invading or destroying us either. They were already the reason for planetary imperial destruction before, and don't want to be found out, or have our real history be found out. They do travel between Earth and Mars, through portals, and could do so unnoticed, as they differ very little from us biologically... the Homo Sapiens Sapiens model of current Earth is an offshoot of their lineage of 'humanity'. They, unlike the original Earthlings, did not, nor do have, elongated skulls, or any outward sign that they're different. In fact, they're relatively short and small in stature compared to the other homonids on other planets. They are genetically grounded with mamalian, primate DNA, like we are, and way before the cataclysm, were interacting with Earth, bringing Martian species of animal, plants, etc, to Earth, for conservation by groups who knew that the governing parties on Mars were going to bring the whole civilization to a screeching halt soon. Mars and Earth share, and shared, so many similarities biologically, they are really almost twin planets. Earth, is now, on a similar path to what Mars was on, only we have no planetary empire of which we're a part to bring down with us. If we go, it's just us we're bringing down, and there's no nature reserve or second planet to give us hope. And the Martians are not gonna jump out of the ground to give us friendly advice, they're hateful, smoldering, seething people with little compassion or mercy for even their own kind, much less a distant offshoot of their genetic line. We are like the bastard children they never wanted, and worse, mixed with other genetic lines with which they would not wish to mingle. Anyway, you know more about it, within you, just because you carry it it within. And don't worry, you're not the only one.
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