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Post by Marsrocks on Aug 4, 2012 19:45:08 GMT -5
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Post by polluks on Aug 5, 2012 5:00:23 GMT -5
cool :) It reminded me of the Rorschach inkblot test :) It seems to me that at least the "upper" part looks like artificial (of course if it's not a melted ice or lava near the usual stone)
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Post by convex on Aug 5, 2012 7:01:21 GMT -5
Hi there, I would like to note something about the mirroring method. We ourselves do not use this special method, because the risk of over-interpretation is extremely high.
Mirroring automatically creates a perfect symmetry, regardless of how the source image template looked like. The special thing about it is that mathematically it is not just simply a doubling of striking features and consequently a doubling of the probability of artificiality, but it increases the probability more than twice, because the perfect symmetry counts as an additional factor. A factor which is normally not present. Especially in the interpretation of images that seem to show a face half, one must note the additional factor of the automatic detection mechanism of our brain. Therefore, mirroring method can be very deceptive.
We use in our morphing animation examples, also mirroring, however we use in principle templates that already contain symmetrical features. Without pre-existing symmetries in the source image, an animation would not be possible. We try to avoid, if possible, not to generate data that does not exist.
This is just a small note. Do not hesitate to use it, if you think that it is useful method. I hope, it's no problem for you. I just wanted to give a feedback of the way we look on such things. Of course, it can also reveal extraordinary details.
I know, that there are stubborn skeptics, which like to pounce on such details. No matter how well justified the initial suspicion may be.
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Post by polluks on Aug 6, 2012 16:13:23 GMT -5
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Post by convex on Aug 6, 2012 17:54:20 GMT -5
Hi Polluks, I'm impressed of your ability to find so many unusual structures. I had not discovered anything unusual in the pictures. The example you have shown, reminds me somehow on one of those Moai stone heads. So I'm curious what you'll discover next.
It's good to hear that the next rover is already waiting in the wings. Many hopes and expectations are linked with the "Curiosity".
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Post by polluks on Aug 6, 2012 20:35:34 GMT -5
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Post by convex on Aug 7, 2012 12:02:58 GMT -5
Ah, yes. I can remember this scene. You have mentioned it on one of the postings, you have made on the alienanomalies board. Apparently it is not a head. Nevertheless, it is good find because it shows, that the procedure of composing two or more images in connection with fast animation frame rates is ideal to reveal the true shape of such structures.
Examples like this one are very well suited for another educational video, in order to show how to reveal whether a supposed structure anomaly is natural or artificial. So far, I've never seen such a video. This could be an interesting topic for a video project.
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Post by Marsrocks on Aug 7, 2012 12:50:41 GMT -5
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Post by convex on Aug 7, 2012 18:33:59 GMT -5
This is strange. YouTube told me, that your Video is not available in my country. But they gave no information about the reasons. I was forced to set a proxy to see it. But it seems to be the only exception. I have quickly checked some of your other videos, but they seem to be okay. Just this one made problems. Well, looks like, it is much easier to create such images with Corel Photo Paint 8 than with Photoshop 6. :)
What I have not seen so far, is a video made by anomaly researchers (not by skeptics) that show examples that seems to anomalous in the first sight, but which turn out in retrospect to be naturally or to be an optical illusion. It would show that anomalies researchers are quite capable to look at things objectively and critically. On the other hand, there are hardly any skeptics who would be willing to admit that there are structures that could be of artificial nature.
I know a nice example, where someone told me, that there is a levitating stone visible on one of the Spirit images. And it really looked like a levitating stone ::) but in the detailed analysis it can be shown that it is just an optical illusion. A collection of such solved anomalies would be an interesting new perspective on this. But this is something for later...
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Post by Marsrocks on Aug 7, 2012 20:09:36 GMT -5
Convex, optical illusions would make a great thread - we see them all the time, and really should dedicate more time to showing them when we find them.
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Post by polluks on Aug 10, 2012 17:06:16 GMT -5
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Post by Marsrocks on Aug 10, 2012 18:22:05 GMT -5
Polluk's, super example!
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Post by convex on Aug 11, 2012 13:25:44 GMT -5
Have to agree. A very good example. 8-)
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Post by macten on Aug 15, 2012 11:51:53 GMT -5
I posted this in the engraving thread but I think its appropriate here too. Crop from: 2p171718087effaajcp2424r1m1_img.jpg from Spirit Sol 511 Attachments:
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Post by polluks on Aug 18, 2012 17:50:52 GMT -5
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